The clowns in our EDM scene.

I remember in the 90s when hip hop was damn good. When it was about the good life, being fun and energetic like, De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest, or when it was about real life in the streets like NaS, Smif-N-Wessun, Pete Rock… and in like all music you had the clowns, people like Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer etc… But in the golden age of hip hop you would notice that you can name more of the ‘real’ artists then you could clowns.

Fast forward to today, the ‘real’ artists talking about real things don’t have much of a voice anymore. On the radio, on TV you hear and see these amazing performances. Songs written by other people. A dance choreographer to make sure all the moves are correct.  A visual stylist to make sure the right image is being portrayed. I don’t watch much TV or listen to the radio at all, but i can name more clowns in todays music scene then I can the real players.

MC Hammer

MC Hammer in his clown suit. Hip Hop at its finest?

What has happened in the music industry? Business happened. The goal is to make money. Most people start off real and then become this bubble gum pop artist to start to appeal to a bigger demographic. Ever wonder why everyone always says ‘yeah I like so and so but his/her stuff isn’t as good as when they first came out’. There is a reason for that. Money and the labels that basically own the artists now control the artist, the music and the image.


DJ Blend

DJ Bl3nd…  This douche bag’s mask was stolen and he stopped the music until he got it back.

I’m now seeing this happen more in the EDM scene. “DJs” need to start wearing masks or taking off clothes in order to set themselves apart from other acts. Where the goal is to stand out more then it is to make people dance. Where people stand there and watch your ‘performance‘. I see this happening at a lot of festivals and shows. The dance scene has basically become a rock concert.

Clown /klown/

  • Noun: A comic entertainer, esp. one in a circus, wearing a traditional costume and exaggerated makeup.
  • Verb: Behave in a comical way; act playfully: “Harvey clowned around pretending to be a dog”

Basically these acts who call themselves DJs get in front of everyone, wearing dumb makeup or a mask and act in a comical way, I laugh. Like for example when a DJ runs around on stage and then throws a big cake at someone, or when a DJ wears a mask and acts like a moron. In the following video we see Steve Aoki ‘clowning‘ around. You will notice all the people “Dancing” at this EDM event.

But Aoki insists his act is really all about the music. “The most important thing, besides all the stunts that I do, it’s always the music,” he said. “The music is the number one thing.”

So get back behind the decks and play some damn music then.

I bring this up because during the 90s, the DJ was more of a GOD. You never saw him, yet everywhere you went he touched you with his music, the better the DJ the more you dance. Places like the original Sound Factory and the newer one were open for 12 hours straight with 1 DJ controlling the vibe of the main floor. Never once could you walk up to him or even see where his lit up booth was. All clubs were setup in this way, the focus was on the people. The music was about the people, the dance floor about the people, the light show about the people. Some places did have a stage for performances. Normally the performances were drag queens (guys in make up and masks) on stage, and then the focus was on them for a short time while the DJ controls the action.

I was lucky enough to play at the Palladium in NYC. The place was simply amazing, and the DJ booth was not the focus. The DJ was the god for the evening and places like this were my church. When watching the video you will notice that the DJ booth was very lit up. The DJ was not seen but heard. He didn’t wear anything fancy and he wasn’t trying to be the visual center of attention, nor could he if he tried. Since the booth was hidden or ‘away from drunk requests’ is what I always called it.

DJs stood out because of their specific styles of music. How they played the music is what made them who they were, no gimmicks, now crowd tricks, no masks… no clowning around. Derrick Carter has always been Derrick Carter. DJ Sneak is DJ Sneak… no mask. No funny gimmicks. It won’t make their music any better only distract me from dancing. Before the internet when all I had were mix tapes, I could hear a DJ and know who it was, yet have no idea if the DJ was male or female, or if they were even human. nor did I care,  all that mattered was the music.

Clown DJ

Ask yourself… are the people watching you ‘perform’ as a DJ instead of dancing?

We are not rockstars. We don’t learn silly dance moves. We do not wear silly masks or makeup. We are not a live performance. We feed off the crowds. We make them move. Set yourself apart by playing good music. If your a DJ doing all kinds of stupid gimmicks or wearing silly masks and you find that people are watching you instead of  dancing, especially when your playing at an EDM (Electronic DANCE Music) event… Then you may be doing it wrong. 

I’m not the only one who thinks somewhat like this, DJ Sneak called out the Swedish House Mafia for being a bunch of actors. Dennis Ferrer agreed with him. I also agreed with him. Leave a comment below if you have something to say, keep it clean, don’t be childish. Please like and share this if you agree with what I said… thanks!

P.S. I’m not hating on anyone, it’s an opinion. If it quacks like a duck and if it looks like a duck…

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And for the record, one final time… I am not mad, some people got mad at me.. like I said.. I’m calling it like I see it… they are funny. clown like even. Just dont get mad if you act and look like a clown when my friends and I are laughing at your show instead of dancing to it. You make your bed, you sleep in it.



232 thoughts on “The clowns in our EDM scene.

  1. Im sorry “DJ bamboo” but what credibility do you think you deserve for writing an article about “proper” DJing when in your timeline picture you have a pic of a Traktor Kontrol MIDI controller? I dont care what you are wearing, the level of energy that you have on stage, or where your “booth” is positioned… I care about a DJ using legitamate equipment properly and proffesionally, yes im talking about Vinyl and CD’s, not some program that lays it all out for you and can be controlled by the click of a mouse. If you put a DJ that fits YOUR description of a good DJ on stage “with no gimmicks” and “is hidden in the shadows” but he uses a little MIDI controller and has to stack it on top of legit equipment or even have a seperate table set aside for him, is a fool and will never be taken seriously by anyone who even has a decent repuatation as a “well known” DJ, let alone write an article about what characterizes one. You obviously have very little basis for this article and a shallow view on what makes a good DJ. Id would rather see a hole in the wall DJ with a Dr. Seuss hat raging it on stage who has a complex mixing structure and uses vinyl over a MIDI controlling “live playlisting” DJ hiding in the corner wearing all black that can “make you dance”. Basically this article is saying “its not how or what is played that determines the skill level of a DJ” but “how well a DJ remains anonymous is what grants him a certain level of skill”

  2. Bamboo you do have some very good points in this but you gotta think man with everything in the world it slowly changes over time. So many genres of music now have sub genres. They changed over the period of time to something new. Sometimes for the best and sometimes for the worst. I thought the Steve Aoki video was funny. Each of these “clowns” are just doing what they do. That’s what they like to do and people enjoy that! Sure people might not like it but they don’t care because it’s what they wanna do it’s their life. Maybe todays Dj’s arent like the ones back in the day but it slowly changed because of technology. Technology plays a large part in Djing and pretty much everything. People slowly stopped using vinyl to listen to music and now use mp3’s. Mp3’s are more portable and can go any where. What dj’s today wear make up? To be honest I don’t see any. Also look at the 80’s bands they pretty much looked like girls but they made amazing songs while looking like clowns. Their doing something that works for them and at the same time they are doing something new that no one else was doing. Example Alice Cooper used shocking stage antics to make peoples jaws drop. That kept people coming back. People dont have to go to these shows but they wanna see something new and exciting. They pay crazy amounts of money just to see these people jump around on stage but at the same time its creating memories and their having fun at the same time!! The music is important but you also have to have fun with it! You dont always wanna be a stiff and serious all the time. Jump around, dress flashy, act like a fool. Their expressing themselves I guess you could say. I read this with an open mind not freaking out like some people. Theirs no reason to everyone has an opinion and if you don’ like it then don’t read it.

  3. i think eric fudge and bamboo are both wrong. I come from the old skool… i learned on sl1200’s and used them for years until i switched to CDJ’s and then used those for years… then virtual DJ came out and i didnt have to do 3 or 4 takes on my promo mixes was amazing!.. ok so i still used CDJ’s and Serato Scratch Live at the gigs, but i loved the simplicty of being able to mix my mp’s and having beat assist… then came Traktor… and quiet frankly i LOVE it. Alot of DJ’s nowadays are also working professionals and honestly i dont have time to burn cd’s and spend days in record shops… Traktor ROCKS.

    And Mr Bamboo…i think the scene is whatever it is going to be… i enjoy the eye candy and here in my town theres alot of fine looking honeys with hoops and dressing in sexy lingire … perfect!!! im an old skool DJ that started in 1995… but i still spinning in clubs with 18yr old DJ’s… the scene is ALIVE and kicking… appreciate that it is not a by gone… you guys need to quit focusing on the negatives and embrace the positive… how amazing that dj;s and party goers from the mid ninties and still rock with the awesome new generation that are bringing a whole new edge and style to our amazing electronic culture.

  4. *applause*

    I agree, and I think anyone that doesn’t obviously must have been sitting in their jammies watching cartoons and eating cereal when the scene started “back in the day”.

    The “real” DJ vs. “fake” DJ would also be a great thing to address because right now those arguments are getting effing ridiculous (and old)!

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  6. .Porter Robinson , Skrillex and many new Producers . are awesome and I respect them because of their Music Production Skills . they can act whoever they want because they got the top for their Music and not with a mask , or watergun ETC.

    Its funny to see a guy who wears a Mask , play with a water Gun ,and consider himself the best House Dj because he got 3 Million fans? come on !!
    i dislike people who act retarded behind the Decks , flipping their fingers, trying to act like they are Rock star, while they are Djing other people Music.
    thanks for pointing that out great post .

  7. Its nice to see so many true edm lovers out there feel the same way. the dj is only the instrument, the music is the art. i agree with the quote from david morales, even if i don’t play out, i still play music. thanks for a reminder that the love is still there, even if mainstream america doesn’t ‘get it’.

  8. I agree that it is about the music first and foremost. And anyone that wears a mask on stage is more than likely hiding their own insecurities, they feel they have to because their music is not good enough standalone. However, I think that there is nothing wrong with a performance element, as there is nothing worse than going to a gig and the dj just stands there with a sour look on his face, it brings people down. I think self projection is a important aspect of live performance, and as a DJ, if you are feeling the music and rocking out to your own vibe, people will feed from that.

  9. I feel like if you produce music that people will pay top dollar to hear in a big arena, you’ve achieved far more than so many others. No disrespect to the “House Gods” but, the average SHM fan has prolly never even heard of Sneak. (because the avg. SHM fan is a noob to electronic music).

    It’s the artist’s choice if they wanna sell out or not. Maybe they wanna be rockstars. If they have enough fans, and draw thousands to a venue, I doubt the promoter is gonna care if they fake DJ or lipsync.

    again …. no offense to Sneak but, I got like 3 SHM originals that I drop every now and again …. I can’t remember the last time I dropped anything by Sneak (1997…. maybe)

  10. Personally, I enjoy a dj who exhibits some kind of actual, real, freehanded SKILL (i.e. scratching, sampling, trick-mixing, etc.). If I’m gonna pay some inflated door charge, it should be worth it than just watching some guy jumping around while wearing a mask or just standing there looking down at the decks and not acknowledging the crowd by showing some presence accompanied by feats of dj skills. BTW, I’ve never heard a good mash-up so, stop it. Give the original artist their due and just play the damn original track. There was a lot of soul used to create the original cut. Most mash-ups have no soul because it’s just the dj’s preoccupation with the new technology that foreclosed on his/ her “creativity”. Just give us, the audience a few trick samples, teach yourself how to really scratch and make seemless blends, know your 4 by 4s and impress us with your deep crates of House, EDM, Hip-Hop or whatever. Just keep it original and show those original artists the respect they deserve. The dancers on the dancefloors will appreciate you more for it by not clearing the floor when you mash. Instead, they’ll fill the dancefloors and keep ’em filled when you actually spin. Great post, Bamboo. This is the kind of discourse we need to have.

  11. What he’s saying is that spectacle is replacing substance in EDM… all music really. Spectacle in the service of good music is fine and has been around forever, but has come to nearly replace the music itself.

    This is the logical endgame of a shift (for better or worse) from resident DJs to touring DJs which has been going on since the 90s. Here in Chicago you could go out 4 nights a week for a month and not hear the same DJ. You might not even hear the same song twice. This seems exciting, but to me it’s boring.

    Resident DJs could teach a dancefloor a song was great (and why it was great, and in how many ways it was great) over several weeks. Same DJ, same club, same faces week in and week out. It was like going to college. This was where the whole power and mystique of the DJ that we celebrate now came from, but it’s little more than an echo now. DJs once served as an intermediary between the artists they played and the audience. Now it’s about the performer only.

    Which would be fine if the performer was pumping out hit after hit, like say Daft Punk or Murk or Orbital did. But today’s producers cater to this new breed of touring DJ, mostly with disposable one-offs that seem to be made to play once. It’s all texture and posture instead of substance.

    There was a time when you could hang out with your friends at home and play an underground track on piano or just start humming it in the car and everybody would recognize it and join in. Can you say that about many modern EDM tracks?

    • Yeah, Seville, to add, there used to be a time when the nightclub had an actual resident dj. That person was hired by the manager or even the club’s owner. Now, you got promotions’ groups who bring in a gang o djs. Trying to get into those promotion’s group to get work is like trying to gain membership in some exclusive “Elks” club. I remember in Chicago, the radio stations had House music in their mainstream rotations in the 1990s. Even the radio station managers are “clowns”.

  12. Nice Article. I must add however, that this movement is becoming so Huge, that its actually risking becoming disposable. All these Hip Hop DJs are jumping on this bandwagon trend, and they don’t know the 1st thing about it. Lowering the bar drastically with terrible blends and mash ups. I consider these puppets clowns as well. And they get on the mic and can’t even pronounce the names correctly, acting like old tracks are new, and so on.

    Keep in Mind, many of these new producers never DJ’d in their life. They just got a copy of some software and somehow made a track that got them a gig…so what do they do? They fake it (yes even Skrillex) as all of his sets are predone and he just enhances the recordings with his effects and jumps around like a doosh.

      • i’ve seen the footage and the transitions are already on the recording while he does not do the proper skills required to reflect the audio. Any average person will not notice, as they are busy fist pumping or easily amused. Yes mash ups are quite big with Hip Hop DJs borrowing EDM songs and making them shit.

  13. 97% disagree. For one, when was the magical era where artists were all original, business didnt get in the way of good music, and clubs werent about getting laid but rather about hearing good new music? The roaring 20’s?

    And two … Be innovative. Dont look at any industry and think that it has rules (deejays must be in dimly lit area. deejays cant dance, sing, spray champagne, or do anything other than what deejays used to do. deejays must use 1200’s.) There are NO RULES to deejaying. Just because something hasnt been done doesnt mean it shouldnt be done.

    When CDJ’s came out, people hated. Now they are the standard. When Serato came out, people hated, now they are standard. Now people are hating Traktor and Ableton. Maybe people should stop hating and start downloading the new software, and figuring out how they can do a light rig cooler than the next guy. Not stand back and say “that guys lights are stupid” … unless that guys lights really are stupid.

    • Always innovate never stop learning is what I always say. What does jumping around on stage with a mask on have anything to do with the music though? You mentioned CDJs… well, thats an actual tool of the craft, so are turntables, controllers and many more. I’m not against innovation and creativity. Just keep it about the music.

    • I don’t care what you use as long as you don’t encourage corn to grow in the middle of your dance floor (corn: someone standing sitting or camping on or in a dance area)… There is one thing that is sacred and it is the reasons DJ’s became popular and standard in our culture, it is the love the dancer has for the music the DJ plays.

  14. I don’t know a whole lot about dj’ing but I know plenty about being the person do out to listen and dance. I really don’t care wth the dj wears, thou if its outragously stupid looking Im likely to find a new place where idiots don’t work. The only thing a dj needs is a good MIX of music not just hip-hop, electronic, rock or country, a great dj can play it all (minus clasical and blues) and have people dancing. The other must in a dj is PERSONALITY!!! Not what you wear but what you say, how you engage with your crowd, bring them up, take them down…. make them believe you love them. With that I promise you they will keep coming back!!!!! I know when I finally get my Night Club up and running (5years) that is the dj I will hire for my place.

  15. Hey great article.

    I’m an old school underground DJ too. Started to rave in about 95. But I’m also a technician who does sound engineering and lighting. Over the years I’ve worked at nearly every level of the scene from the most feral outdoor raves to fully commercial festivals with international line ups, underground clubs & commercial top 40 bars.

    After all these years its just entertainment, its just show business. Everything exists on a continuum.

    This debate has raged on & on since my very first days of partying and really is as old as time. The whole thing is smoke and mirrors and it’s what ever you can get away with.

    These days I try to enjoy everything just for what it is. If its fake comercial Dj stuff then I judge it based on other fake dj commercial stuff. If its cutting edge underground vibes then I tend to savor the moment and soak it up while I can.

    Its perilous to compare one end of the spectrum to the other.

    David Guetta recently played in my country. If you read the comments on this article you can see the diversity of opinion. Some people absolutely loathed the concert (despite not being there) while other fans were able to show a full understanding of the dynamic of the show and appreciated it accordingly.

    Horses for courses.

    However these days when I do go to a show and witness true & genuine Dj talent, I make sure to really value the experience and I always take time to acknowledge the DJ. Support what you love and ignore the rest.

  16. Ok let me start by giving my history as a 16 year old who grew up in Alphabet City. I went to the Loft, Paradise, Garage, Danceteria, Fun House, and Roseland Ballroom just to name a few of my favorites. In 1987 I moved out west to Seattle were I danced at clubs like The Vogue and the Rebar plus all of the Raves done by the Celebrationists… Now I live in Santa Rosa CA. and there are great DJ’s here… But I have noticed this trend too especially at the big events people not dancing but not just not dancing but planting themselves like corn right in the prime dancing spaces. I don’t have a problem with wallflowers but the corn got to go… I also DJ and there is no greater honor than people dancing to the music I play. So… As a DJ the corn kills my interest, as a dancer it bogs me down. It’s such a drag not being able to dance because you spread a blanket out where people should be dancing. We have to watch out for your bags and shit… But as I think about it several places in this country started using no dancing laws NYC is one of them. So for all of you DJ’s that are about Druggie fans in a trance looking at you all night jumping up and down in place loaded out of their minds just let the rest of us know so we do not go to your show.

  17. Oh yeah I don’t care if you play music on 8track as long as it flows well I will roll with it… DJ- some one who plays recorded music on the radio, at clubs, parties, etc. etc… Yes anyone can be a DJ if they want to period end of EGOCENTRIC bull-dogma… Besides it is all about the DANCE!!!

  18. this has some really good points on both sides of the Flip. I do agree that times have changed in EDM. I’m some where, in the middle of the old ways and new. You have, some people doing Ableton Live Sets and Performance based “Live” Sets and you also have “Clowns Acts & Stage Theatrics” You got people who are still doing all vinyl, but most likely do not have a ton of new music or anything relevant. Some people rocking the new Pioneer 2000 that are no different than using a midi controller. They easily work with Ableton , Traktor or Serentro. Even using them alone is like setting the cruse control. I done the vinyl thing for 20 years and have an amazing collection. Did CDR for a few years but , I just decided that Traktor alone and pair of controllers makes more sense in a performance based DJ-Music arena and world. There is more to DJing that just mixing two tracks together these days. Making CDRs and flipping through a CD Book all night is no longer fun and just sucks. I can be more creative and make music and my performance much more interesting with traktor than I ever could with CDJS, Vinyl or anything else, short of playing a live set of my own original music.
    I can play the meat and potatoes of a track and even make my own live edits of a track or a group of remixes of the same track. It just makes sense. What I have a problem with is What People try to pass off as House Music. When It is not House at all. Djing for me has always been about playing new music fist and playing cooler music and putting it all together much better than the next guy. So it is more of an arms race these days. I could care less what people say, Mixing is just an archaic standard. I can mix perfectly as the day is long, but for me its about being more creative in the mix and staying competitive. There is nothing exciting about some one just mixing two beats together. It has evolved . Adapt or Die.

    • i agree!!! i have 15yrs experience in a wide range of scenarios and i can mix vinyl, cd, and i am very comfortable with scratch live and traktor… and btw, Deadmau5 started this mask wearing trend… it creates some mysticism about who the person behind the mask is… he is a God to many young DJ’s … so why wouldnt they try to take after him? Im not saying i think its neccessary to wear a mask but i honestly dont think there is any harm in it… what about a mask wearing DJ thats really brilliant behind the decks?? there will always be some grouchy lamo that will find fault in everything, some people like to whine and complain or create drama to draw attention to themselves… somewhat like a young dj looking to stand out from the crowd will wear a mask to attract attention. 😉

  19. Vinyl can achieve the ultimate soulful sound, but it’s a mute point if the record is Vengaboys or Alice DJ, whilst someone else is playing Joey Negro or CZR on an ipod.
    In other words, I think focusing on the medium is missing the point. (Just on a personal note, I need to mix discs and beat-match, because my hands like to stay busy. Pressing a button to DJ would be like throwing a vibrator at a girl and saying “here’s some sex.” It still gets the audience off, but my hands will feel left out.) As long as the audience gets off, the method remains a personal decision.

    So what is the real conflict here? How can we take everyone’s observations and tie them into a singular theory?….I think:


    Initially we had an underground scene, which had its own unique values. Later, things went mainstream, and mainstream values came along – the same values that apply to pop music and blockbuster movies. I have nothing against the new kids today – they seem friendly and open-minded – but they have a different set of values…because they are from the mainstream world, not the underground Here’s some examples:

    The UNDERGROUND rave scene was a haven for gender equality/neutrality. Fashion was similar for boys and girls. Even though there weren’t many female DJ’s, the roles of male and female partygoers and promoters were identical. There were alliances with gay clubs, and the lgbt community added to the lack of gender expectations.
    In MAINSTREAM culture, women are mostly eye-candy. Look at mainstream rap videos with be-thonged chicks humping car rims compared to skilled b-girls contributing to culture in underground hip hop. Look at most of our pop stars and blockbuster movies – sex sells. The dance scene is mainstream now – the participants are ingrained in a culture where women are decoration and if you’re smooth or lucky enough, things to f*ck. And that’s about it according to MTV…..

    In an UNDERGROUND scene, there’s a lot of respect for history, especially pioneers and moments of deeper cultural significance. Underground culture was built on a deeply rooted foundation that included the knowledge and values of those who came before.
    That “shit is nerdy” to mainstream culture. In MAINSTREAM culture, history is moments of kitsch and spectacle. Vietnam is about Jimmy Hendrix and Forrest Gump, not about the strategic implications of a land war in Asia or the doubtful assertion that a communist Vietnam posed a serious threat to our way of life. Mainstream history is not thoughtful. Mainstream dance culture knows that ravers used to wear big silly pants, but they won’t stop to ponder the deeper observation that our fashion was largely genderless. Due partly to the lack of history, I feel there’s not much critical objectivity when it comes to music, dancing, fashion, etc, and honestly it doesn’t matter anymore…in mainstream values, ignorance is bliss.

    As the author said, parties have become more like crowded concerts, with party-goers squeezing toward the stage, pumping their fists. This is more like a mainstream rock concert than an underground dance party. The old party kids would have been miserable in a crowded space that didn’t allow them to sufficiently move around.
    Learning and practicing skillful creative dance styles is an uncommon impulse. It’s too niche and too much effort to be mainstream. Mainstream dance culture is…simplified. It’s style is made approachable for a wide mainstream audience. For instance, an underground hip hop party would feature breakdancing, while a mainstream rap club would just have hip thrusting and hands in the air. Same with the electronic dance scene. There are some new dance styles, but they are less diverse in cultural influences, styles of movement, and improvisation.

    The UNDERGROUND scene had dance parties, not DJ concerts. Party kids dancing was the important bit, and the DJ’s were servants. At most big parties I never saw the headliner; he was buried in a booth. All we cared about was his/her music and skills, and the DJ’s cared about making people dance while being able to share their unique influences and culture. Our memories are fleeting moments of unity, ecstatic exhaustion, and friendship on the dance floor, not looking at some famous jackass’ face while he signs my titty. In this way the DJ was like a god, affecting the environment from a distant mysterious place.
    The MAINSTREAM scene is used to pop-stars and rockstars, so there’s gotta be a frontman, a talking head, a personality (real or fake) to go with the music. It helps to have a unique visual style that distinguishes them (instead of the music alone).

    The most important part of an UNDERGROUND scene is it’s separation from the mainstream. The rave scene wasn’t counter-culture. It was elusive. It was secret, and that allowed it to be special. Even in the old skool, there was a rift. Some promoters and DJ’s wanted the dance scene to become a mainstream money opportunity. When all the sensationalist new stories hit my state in 1997, it brought a flood of new partygoers with the wrong idea. Most of the old skool just fell away, leaving some stragglers that couldn’t move on. Now they find their little low-lit cafes for lounge nights.
    MAINSTREAM entertainment seeks maximum saturation and market domination. The dance scene today is all about visibility and expanding, attracting more fans. As far as values, there’s not too much difference in the audience for a DJ concert now and the audience for MTV spring break.

    Anyway, those are just a few differences in underground and mainstream values. I think comparing these new DJ’s and kids with the old ones is unfair. It’s apples and oranges. The geezers were underground, so they had the opportunity to make their own society and rules. The new kids are mainstream and reflect those values. That’s what the dance scene is now.

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